Thursday, 08 January 2009

  • After reading and thinking about two of HumbleWalk's recent posts I think I have figured out one of the reasons why I am slowly being excluded from this group.

    The Reasons:
    I think I am the victim of a church power play or two and am guilty of breaking an unspoken and informal rule of the group.  I think a former friend of mine (I'll call him "Bozo") made a power play that has since helped enable another likely power play.  Then I guess I broke an unwritten informal rule saying that no one is allowed to have a problem with anyone else in the group.

    The Story:
    In late September I had a falling out with Bozo and then in early October, I actually started completely ignoring him.  Now there were a lot reasons for my breaking off contact but I won't actually be getting into them in this post.  Basically Bozo had, over time, become somewhat abusive, manipulative and obsessive so I just didn't feel comfortable around him anymore.  That had been growing for months and I had tried to ask him to back off a few times but he didn't.  Less than a week after I first decided to completely stop talking to him I had a few people from the group asking me why I wasn't speaking to Bozo anymore.  I hadn't even told him there was a problem because at the time I thought that a week or two of no contact might help him realize that I was uncomfortable and something had to change.  It was decided though that I had been completely unreasonable and mean to Bozo.  That made me decide to make the broken contact official.

    A couple of weeks later, on advice from a mutual friend, I sent Bozo an email explaining my side of the story and asking him a couple of questions.  Two weeks later I received a lengthy reply saying basically that I had been completely unreasonable, mean and stupid and he had done nothing wrong and asking me to just become reasonable again and accept that he had done nothing wrong.  Honestly, if Bozo had just never responded it would have been better than that response.  Before long, almost every person we both knew at the group was asking me what had happened and pestering me to tell this guy I was sorry that I had been so mean to him and that I wanted to be friends again.  On the few occasions that people would actually talk to me they also would tell me that Bozo would never do any of the things I was claiming he had done because he is just too nice and polite.  If you had asked me a year ago I probably would have said the same thing and 18 months ago I certainly would have.

    Nothing in what was happening made me really want to be friends with Bozo again.  Then I actually skipped church and the group a number of times in October, November and December so that I could avoid him more easily and help keep things civil for the group.  I thought at the time that if I allowed time for people to calm down then I would be able to have a rational discussion about what had happened and thus sort through the crap and hopefully at least not feel like I had to avoid Bozo.  That doesn't seem to have been the case.  Instead it appears that in that time the group members that we both were friends with have become used to just not including me.

    Conclusions:
    I don't really know what I could have done differently in this situation.  Part of the problem is that I am a bit eccentric and people often don't know what to expect out of me.  Bozo on the other hand is a very ordered person who normally seems to go out of his way to avoid even potential problems.

    Early on I thought that if I had just told friends about his behavior then it would have been Bozo on the defensive instead of me.  But that wouldn't work because people wouldn't likely believe what I had to say about Bozo even if I had gone to them before he did.  Also, that really just isn't my style to try and incite drama and turn friends against each other.

    Another thought I had was that if I had just directly confronted Bozo about all of this early on then the fallout might have been minimized.  However, with my lack of tact and naturally loud voice and quicker than normal temper I likely would have wound up making a scene while he remained outwardly calm and played the victim (he's actually very good at that I've noticed).

    I really haven't been able to come up with any other ideas.  I also don't know what to do at this point unless I can somehow get him to start being manipulative and abusive to a few people who will notice his behavior for what it is and then will speak up about it.

    Disclaimer:  It is possible that he was never trying to be manipulative or abusive or anything and that he misunderstood me when I tried get the message across to him about that and the obsessiveness.  However, I don't think that really matters all that much at this point.

Comments (11)

  • tialoca_talks

    how high school is this?  one doesn't have to be friends with everyone, simply polite...whatever happened over them banning you from a retreat?  how that gets handled would be the yardstick for my staying or going (just sayin')...

  • mrcolorful

    @tialoca_talks - 

    I think it is pretty high school myself. I managed to avoid this kind of crap for the most part when I was in high school I never expected it from these people. I never once did anything impolite to Bozo or anyone else unless you count not returning Bozo's phone calls and that has nothing to do with the group.

    I have tried over the past couple of days to get in touch with a few people who went on the retreat but haven't been getting any responses. I'm not sure what is happening but I am starting to think that Igor might have been passing some bad rumors about me. What happens about the retreat could very easily be the deciding factor. I highly doubt that I will continue with the group at this point. I just kind of need to decide about the church and whether or not I want to stay there.
  • mrcolorful

    @tialoca_talks - 

    I am kind of guessing at that rule. I think there must be some sort of an unwritten rule about that. I just realized that I didn't make that very clear when I wrote this.
  • rachelserine
    It's funny, but I have noticed this unwritten rule in several church groups I have participated in. It's funny because some people just won't get along, won't care to be friends. And everyone else should let them work that out betwixt themselves. :) That is really hard to do I know, but it is worth a try, right? I mean, it's hard to remember that some person you like (person A) may not treat everyone as nicely as they treat you, so if person B doesn't like person A it does not make person B a bad person.

    lol... sorry, that was totally confusing... :)
  • mrcolorful

    @rachelserine - 

    I thihk I get the idea of what you are saying. Besides even if the two people don't get it worked out what difference does it really make as long they aren't fighting or otherwise creating a disturbance? Also even when I was friends with this guy the friendship had never felt just real comfortable. In my opinion Bozo is more the type of guy you watch the football game with rather than the type you talk about problems and issues with.
  • Botolf
    I have witnessed churches fall apart and disband due to such antics.  Whats worse is it really drives people away from organized religion all together.
  • mrcolorful

    @Botolf - 

    I can see that. I don't know how many people are actually aware of the whole story. I've only talked to I think four people from the group about it and none of them know everything because I realized they had quit listening pretty quickly. This group has really lost its way but that is difficult to correct because they think they have finally found the way.
  • nidan
    They're kicking you out of their church over this dunce? That's not right.
  • mrcolorful

    @nidan - 

    That is what seems to be happpening. I could be wrong but if this isn't true then I have a real problem explaining any of it.
  • nidan
  • mrcolorful

    @nidan - 

    I am also still trying to get people who went on that retreat to talk to me but I've had zero luck so far so I think maybe Bozo and Igor were spreading some crap about me.
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